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U.S. National Grand Master General

Sabazius X°

OTO U.S.A.

POB 32

Riverside CA 92502-0032

Most Holy, Most Illuminated and Most Worshipful Father, and Dear Brother David,

A Petition to His Most Sacred Majesty the Supreme and Holy King ruling in the

United States of America that is in the Sanctuary of the Gnosis,

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

This is my annual activity report for 2003 e.v.  It has been an extremely active and

productive year, with all OTO Prison Ministry mail processed up to date at the end of the

calendar year. I traveled about 10,000 miles in pursuit of OTO business, having performed

the first Rose Croix initiation ever performed in the Southeastern U.S. and shuttling back

and forth between Atlanta and Birmingham in efforts to organize Hagia Sophia Chapter

under its newest charter as an Atlanta-based Southeastern Chapter of Rose Croix.

A brief comment about the OTO Prison Ministry mail:  In reviewing my magical diary, in

some months I noted the number of pieces of mail processed, but overall it is worth noting

that it was by far the largest volume I have yet dealt with. In January, for instance, there

were 60 pieces of mail processed.  In the late Summer I received 100 pieces of mail per

month, and I processed perhaps 800 pieces of mail for the Ministry in the course of the

calendar year.  Later in the year I received several offers of help.  Most of this help has

consisted of my giving volunteers a copy of the initial contact letter you approved, along

with a list of prisoners sending initial letters.  The volunteer then sends the initial letter with

my letterhead, and if the inmate then responds further, it comes to me.  This is more helpful

to me than it probably sounds.  I might add that my summary here does not include mail to

and from The Eucharist, or the correspondence of several volunteers who I have previously

farmed out responsibility for keeping in touch with corresponding associates on a long-term

basis.  The non prison mail remains at a relatively modest volume.  One other point: The

number of volunteers remains very small, but I make considerable effort individually to

make sure that all know the score on prison mail, and are qualified to handle it.

In January, 2003, in anticipation of the change-over in the Chapter charter and in

expectation of performing our first initiation with a new team, I began working closely with

S. and D. D. and John Crow, assembling a checklist of V° ritual needs, and taking inventory

of Chapter property send by Sister C. to us.  I also began daily rehearsal of the initiation.

We also began searching for a suitable site.  My immediate previous annual report was also

submitted to you in January. 

I attended the Mass at Dove and Serpent Oasis and counseled with Brother Nance on

suggestions for improving the local performance of the Mass team he was busily

assembling, having taken over leadership from John C. (The work here has prospered

during the year.)  I also attended an informal reception for visiting members from the

Boston area, sponsored by the local body.

In February, I was unexpectedly called upon to Deacon at the local Mass on very short

notice.  This worked out just fine.  In general, during this period, Brother Nance was

depending upon my advice and assistance, in contrast to the much more self assured

Brother Crow during his tenure, but Nance seemed to be coming along nicely and I helped

where I could with an eye to not being too much in the foreground with the local MoE

body.  I went to Birmingham and performed with a crew of “virgin” officers the first Rose

Croix initiations in the region, with S. D. deputized as High Priestess, with L.’s – and your

– approval.  It all went remarkably well, and I felt we now had the minimum number of

initiates necessary living in region to become a Southeastern-based chapter.  At this point, I

was still assuming we would be dividing the Chapter (in effect) with an Oklahoma City

chapter also chartered for our more “westerly” members. From the first days in Dallas, we

have now performed some 18 Chapter initiations.

I was a bit puzzled by a note from you asking for a brief summary of my self- assessment of

my progress as a VII°.  I took the degree at your home, Soror H. assisting, nearly six years

before, have since then attended the initiation of (most) others since, and my views on

sexual magick (which have not much changed) were presented to you – quite deliberately –

on the evening before my own initiation.  So, I responded to you in the only way that made

sense to me, with a brief but fairly thorough account of my learning experience as a

working S.G.I.G.  In light of our discussion later in the year (see below), I intend to follow

up with an essay that deals more specifically with the mystery of the degree.

Towards the end of the month Soror K. gave me a surprise invitation to make introductory

remarks at the NOTOCON upcoming.  I had been told earlier that accepting the difficult

role of chairing the speaker selection committee precluded my being a speaker as such.

Now, the convention organizers seemed to be going out of their way to see to it that I had

the opportunity to address the assembled, and I was both surprised and grateful, to say

nothing of flattered. I accepted with enthusiasm.

In March, through arduous effort, I was able to arrange to attend the OTO events scheduled

for Austin the following month.  I understood that other members of Hagia Sophia Chapter

would be attending the EC meeting as guests, and I felt this would also give the SGC an

opportunity to see the proposed new chapter configuration as a group in deliberating on the

proposal I intended to make regarding moving the charter and change in officers.  At

month’s end I attended Minervals and a reception afterwards at Dove and Serpent.

In April, I went to Austin, attending the first SGIG/EC meeting, and attended the SGC

meeting, presenting, with the assistance of Scott C. (who had been Chapter Grand Marshall

from our inception), the case for the transfer of the Hagia Sophia Chapter to Atlanta.  I also

dealt with extensive questions concerning Sister S. as proposed High Priestess, and the

proposals were approved.  We also reviewed the proposal for inducting Emma Britten into

the Order of the Eagle, based largely on my essay, which was also approved.  As I had

planned, I found occasion to have a rather frank discussion with you on my frustrations

concerning my lack of a role in the SGC and, more particularly, the half dozen years which

had passed since my advancement in the Order.  I listened carefully to your assessment and

took careful stock of your advice.

In May S. and I received the new Charter for Hagia Sophia Chapter, leaving me the only

original officer of the Chapter, and formally fulfilling one of the great project goals set

during the Eulis Oasis period in the 1980s. I spent a good part of the month working on a

new book manuscript and web site updates.

In June John Crow showed me the mock-up for the first issue of Agape to appear under his

editorship, and I told him I thought it was very good work indeed.  I was happy to see your

kind mention of my efforts on behalf of Emma Britten’s nomination.  The first formal

meeting of Hagia Sophia Chapter under its third charter and leadership was held at John

Crow’s home, with a mainly business discussion and assessment of what we needed to do

to best serve the Order in this new setting and new “cast of characters”.

In July, with your permission, I gave John Crow his KRE initiation.  I got my tickets for

Portland, and read the draft of my introductory remarks to Brother Crow for constructive

feedback. Crow having been appointed Chapter Treasurer and (temporary) secretary, I

reviewed his first meeting notes, to be posted on the Hagia Sophia Site.

In August I heard of the Greater Feast of Helen Smith.  Having flown to NOTOCON, I was

plunged into several days of stimulating and varied discussion, delivered my introductory

remarks which drew surprisingly strong positive comments (it was, after all, just an

introduction).  Thanks to your mention, I got several volunteers for Prison Ministry work

both on the spot and later via email.  I talked to M. and D. and others about the Prison

Ministry in Oregon (as I had indicated to you I would do) and made the assessment that the

local work was in good hands.  This was also the beginning of the period of a couple of

months where the prison mail exceeded 100 pieces per month.

In September the heavy volume continued, and I experimented with farming out some

initial prisoner contacts to newer volunteers, which proved to be promising.  I also went to

Alabama for a meeting of Hagia Sophia Chapter, which all active Southeastern Chapter

members attended.  Brother S. B. hosted.  Our Committee of Four was selected and

formally activated, and long-range Chapter plans were discussed.

In October I flew to Southern CA to attend the various events, attending the SGC/SGIG

meeting, the joint meeting with the EC, the NOTOCON Standing Committee meeting, GT

and participated in the VII° initiations.  A scheduling conflict precluded my attending the

VI° initiations, but I was able to arrange for S.’s KRE and participated by phone on the

radio program arranged by Frater Hrumachis who somehow managed to be in two places at

once. I also began research on the history of the VII° catechism.  After months of research,

I began work on a detailed essay on Hargarve Jennings, after consulting briefly with you on

the subject.

The November Chapter meeting was held in Atlanta, for the first time at a nonresidential

facility, the Dove and Serpent Temple space, by arrangement with the Oasis Master.  All

active SE members once again were in attendance.  The meeting was largely devoted to

planning for our co sponsorship of the Spring leadership workshop, and, though we have

been alternating between Birmingham and Atlanta, the Alabama crew requested we hold

the January 2004 meeting in Atlanta, which was approved.

In December I was contacted by Boston OTO, who, on short notice, requested me to give a

workshop on the Hermetic Brotherhood of Light.  While I had to scramble to get a coherent

presentation together, it proved to be a most stimulating evening, thanks largely to the host

body, which arranged a phone hookup and to have a well-informed group of attendees.

To come up to date, I just signed on to do Minervals for Dove and Serpent in February.  As

I write, Hagia Sophia again met several days ago at the D&S facility, and we fleshed out

plans for the future, contemplated initiations possibly late in the current calendar year, a

commemoration of Liber AL’s 100th anniversary,  and holding a feast at our next gathering. 

Logistical problems were solved, Brother Crow passed the secretarial duties, remaining as

treasurer, all active members were again present, a lingering problem with transfer of the

treasury was reported out and resolved.  

 

 

Love is the law, love under will.

Fraternally,

 

T Allen Greenfield

SGIG OTO

 

U.S. National Grand Master General

Sabazius X°

OTO U.S.A.

POB 32

Riverside CA 92502-0032

 

Most Holy, Most Illuminated and Most Worshipful Father, and Dear Brother David,

A Petition to His Most Sacred Majesty the Supreme and Holy King ruling in the

United States of America that is in the Sanctuary of the Gnosis,

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

This is my annual activity report for 2004 e.v.  As indicated to you earlier, I have

delayed and extended this account into the beginning of the new profane year, in

order to include an event overlapping from the previous year of some moment.

(1)   In January, 2004, I completed and brought up to date the increasingly heavy

volume of prison mail, assisted by several volunteers.  All mail to the

Correspondence Secretary was up to date.  Hagia Sophia Chapter met in

Atlanta, using the facilities of Dove and Serpent Oasis, Soror S. D. presiding.

Discussion was largely focused on the upcoming OTO leadership conference

to be held in Atlanta, which the Chapter had agreed to cosponsor. 

(2)   In February, 2004 I performed three Minerval initiations at the request of the

body master of Dove and Serpent Oasis, at their facility.

(3)   In March I presided over the Chapter meeting, and also attended Baptisms,

Confirmations and the Mass at D&S.  As I monitored their progress, I

became convinced that this body was now performing at the level of a lodge

by every informal measure I am aware of.  In March I also met with Frater

John Nance to go over temple procedures and technical details in anticipation

of performing IV° and P.I. initiations later in the year.

(4)   In April, preparations for the Kaaba and routine prison and introductory

mail and activities took up the month, and then some.

(5)   In May I attended the reception for our honored guests for the Kaaba, and

solicited feedback from both the presenters and participants in the event.  My

impression is that it was most productive.  For the first time, Hagia Sophia

Chapter successfully held an on line business meeting, using the facilities of

our Yahoo site.  Due consideration was given to the level of security on line.

(6)   June was once again taken up by a nearly overwhelming volume of prison

mail.  I began to think in terms of any new strategies that might facilitate

what seemed to be a trend towards becoming an overwhelming task, which I

hoped to come up with before approaching you with regard to passing the

torch to someone else. I was also working with assisting officers to coordinate

the round of IV° and P.I.s scheduled for the following month.

(7)   In July, I performed in due form three IV°, followed by three P.I. initiations

in Atlanta.  It went splendidly. 

(8)   In August, I presided over the Hagia Sophia meeting, followed by a Mass held

under the D&S Oasis auspices, with Chapter members attending.  I began to

think business meetings would be better held on a quarterly basis, and this

was discussed. Brother Crow, upon his return from the monastic community

in Taiwan, stepped down from activities within the Chapter, in an orderly

fashion. 

(9)   By September I was wrestling with a logistical crisis, which continued into the

Fall.  Brother Crow essentially ceased active OTO work.  I was aware that

things were not looking good from my own vantage point.  John Crow had

been my principle protégé for some ten years, and I had been grooming him

as my recommended successor as Chapter MWS.  Subsequent events are

known to you.  My informal opinion is that no specific “cause” was involved

in Crow’s change of life course; it reminded me of watching B. P.’s slow

disengagement a decade earlier.  The “early warning” was his decision to step

down as Oasis Master about two years earlier.  Unfortunately, as events

progressed, friction arose between Frater Crow and Frater S. B., who was my

strong “second choice” as my recommendation for successor to the office of

MWS.  I have long held to a “five year rule” for myself, that is, not to hold an

executive administrative office longer than five years so as not to “burn out”

in office.  The events beginning in July and continuing for some months

persuaded me that I needed to pass the torch of the prison ministry ASAP,

and actively look for a successor as Chapter Sovereign. At this point neither

Crow nor S. B. were interested in the job.  (But, see below.)

(10)  Only upon Brother Crow’s insistence that I subscribe to Live Journal, in

October as I recall, did I become aware of the intensity of both his feelings

and the direction of his attitudes, which resembled and were doubtless

influenced by Brother K.S.’s approach and critique rather than my own.  I

had a long dinner meeting with Crow and explained to him the essentials of

this difference, and he seemed genuinely shocked.  After digesting the new

rules and regulations in EGC, I held the first of two workshops for all clergy

(including novices) under my direct or indirect supervision on the EGC

manual.  The event was well attended and a thorough discussion took place at

the four hour workshop.  Attended the D&S Mass the following weekend.

(11)  In November I resigned from the Prison Ministry job after seven and a half

years.  I was concerned that a replacement would be difficult to find, and was

delighted that this turned out not to be the case.  I gave Frater A. some

pointers and have been forwarding prison-related mail to him ever since.  I

assume he has made provisions for the Ministry while on active military duty.

After speaking with him about it, I encouraged Brother Nance to preside at

the “make up” EGC rules & regs workshop, with my assistance, attended by

clergy from Alabama.  He did a fine job.  As far as I am aware, only one

novice presently under my supervision has not yet been given the workshop,

due to distance.  We have attempted to do this via phone, but to date it has

not happened. Brother Nance was invited to take initiation at Hagia Sophia

by his sponsors, the D’s.  The Chapter held another on-line meeting

successfully.

(12)  In December, after consultation with you, I performed two KEW initiations

with Brother Nance assisting.  At a solstice mass, at their request, I ordained

the two new KEWs Priest and Priestess, respectively.

(13)  After the first of the secular year, the Chapter went into high gear with

rehearsals in anticipation of initiation of Brother Nance.  After being stalled

by an unseasonable ice storm, we performed the initiation in due form,

followed by a festive dinner at a Middle Eastern restaurant.

 

Postscript – After due consideration, Brother S. B. indicated to me that he felt that he

was  receptive to the idea of becoming my successor as Chapter Sovereign.  While

there are logistical problems, and some matter to review carefully, his secular

credentials are among the best amongst the brethren, and he has served the OTO well

in a number of capacities.  I intend to remain on until I am satisfied I can pass the

torch here in both an orderly and successful process.

 

Love is the law, love under will.

Fraternally,

 

T Allen Greenfield

 

T Allen Greenfield

SGIG OTO

References Cited

http://www.hermetic.com/sabazius/britten.htm

http://www.hermetic.com/sabazius/randolph.htm

http://lib.oto-usa.org/agape/agape.1.2.c.pdf

http://oto-usa.org/agape/agape.5.1.pdf

http://oto-usa.org/agape/agape.5.3-4.pdf

 Now the king told the boogie men
You have to let that raga drop
The oil down the desert way
Has been shakin to the top
The sheik he drove his cadillac
He went a cruisnin down the ville
The muezzin was a standing
On the radiator grille

Chorus
The shareef dont like it
Rockin the casbah
Rock the casbah
The shareef dont like it
Rockin the casbah
Rock the casbah

By order of the prophet
We ban that boogie sound
Degenerate the faithful
With that crazy casbah sound
But the bedouin they brought out
The electric camel drum
The local guitar picker
Got his guitar picking thumb
As soon as the shareef
Had cleared the square
They began to wail

Chorus

Now over at the temple
Oh! they really pack em in
The in crowd say its cool
To dig this chanting thing
But as the wind changed direction
The temple band took five
The crowd caught a wiff
Of that crazy casbah jive

Chorus

The king called up his jet fighters
He said you better earn your pay
Drop your bombs between the minarets
Down the casbah way

As soon as the shareef was
Chauffeured outta there
The jet pilots tuned to
The cockpit radio blare

As soon as the shareef was
Outta their hair
The jet pilots wailed

Chorus

He thinks its not kosher
Fundamentally he cant take it.
You know he really hates it.

 


 

 

 



 

Comments

( 86 comments — Leave a comment )
imb
Dec. 20th, 2006 01:17 pm (UTC)
This prison thing has always perplexed me. By mistake I once received mail to the O.T.O. and therein found several letters from prisoners. Now what is this? In what world is a prisoner 'of good report'????! This is one of the absolute absurd things of the O.T.O. that memberclimbs are more important than any quality concern. If you have been in prison (jails can be another situation of cause where actual fall out must be awaited) you are not of good report. It is that simple!

Enlightend organisation my ass! (and the ass is not golden!)
tausirhasirim
Dec. 21st, 2006 01:32 am (UTC)
GETTING CAUGHT
his is one of the absolute absurd things of the O.T.O. that memberclimbs are more important than any quality concern. If you have been in prison (jails can be another situation of cause where actual fall out must be awaited) you are not of good report. It is that simple!

A couple of things.

You are apparently misinformed. No prisoner can be a member of OTO. The OTO established a prison ministry, because many prisoners wrote local bodies, which had no idea what to do with this mail. OTO-EGC professes to be a religious organization, therefore David Scriven, when he became U.S. Grand Master, asked me to handle mail from prisoners, more or less as an EGC clergyman. I took the job on - which proved to be an enormous and largely thankless task - because David asked me to.

I had no sentimental notions about prisoners when I started that arduous work, but neither do I assume a person to be subhuman because they get in trouble with the law. OTO policy -when last I heard- was that persons who had served time in prison would be considered for membership on a case by case basis.

Having said that, I no longer represent OTO policy, so, just speaking for myself, and having also been a Lodge Master, Sovereign of a Rose Croix Chapter, EGC "designated greeter for new people" and US. Grand Lodge Correspondence Secretary, I can tell you that the difference between the average prisoner I encountered in the prison ministry (many for drug-related offenses), and many if not most, of the people drawn initially to OTO who are not incarcerated is not as great as you might think...it is often the difference between those who get caught, and those who don't.
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theba
Dec. 21st, 2006 12:28 pm (UTC)
If you have been in prison you are not of good report?
In my country much of our political leaders was in prison for a long time, now they are people of excelent report. (Maybe you will tell that it was in a time of socialism, and they are not guilty because of ...)
Being in a person is bad thing but never talks about someones character or spiritual things. Few of my friends been in prison and they can be proud because of reason why they fall in jail. Some of cro. members of OTO are simple criminals - never cached by police and they are of good report in OTO - that IS problem. I know that in USA justice system have some aureole of impeccability, moral superiority, here we are much critical about that. Skepticism toward justice is good thing, and brother is a brother no matter did he fight with someone because of girl, or he didn't.
tau_lucem_fero
Dec. 20th, 2006 04:38 pm (UTC)
As imb says, "good report" is hardly a term you can put on people in prison. Being a Correctional Officer in the Danish Prison & Probation Service - that is, as a serviceman - I am actually not allowed to socialize with convicts in my sparetime. That's not only a Danish rule. So I guess the OTO has to choose: Do they want the judges, policemen, officers, correctional officers and other servicemen as members, or do they want the rapists, murderes, robberes, drugdealers and so on?

Based on my own 10 years in the field I say: Try to boost the ego of a psychopath, tell him he's a chosen king, that his "god" in the outer is a "warrior" ala R.H.K., that few are called (but he most certainly is one of them) - even tell him him to chant the "Hymn to Pan" daily for months ... I dare all those OTO'ites out there ... what you'll foster is a new serial killer, serial rapist or whatever. Just go for it :-( Are there no sense of reality left in this movement? There's actually a reason why some people are "stored away" for years and years.

Magical Orders (among which, I know, some count OTO) ARE not reformatories!



tausirhasirim
Dec. 21st, 2006 02:06 am (UTC)
TWO MILLION PRISONERS
"Are there no sense of reality left in this movement? There's actually a reason why some people are "stored away" for years and years."

There are two million persons in really horrid conditions in U.S. Prisons. If you imagine that all are guilty, or sentenced proportionate to the statutory crime, then I imagine you believe in the concept of "original sin". Truth is, while you may be correct in the context of Denmark or other relatively enlightened European countries, American law and American jurisprudence have so many "crimes" to punish that - as one law professor remarked - "we are all felons in America - the difference is some are caught and some are not".

Just as an example, I have personally seen many OTO members at all levels indulging in drug use that, if caught, would draw stiff prison sentences. Yet OTO policy is (I wrote the policy) that OTO takes no notice of one's lifestyle choices (including drugs of choice) as long as it is kept away from OTO events.

Until very recently in America, one could be sent to prison for "sodomy" which would define any homosexual and many heterosexual common practices as felonies. In my state and throughout much of the South, until recent decades one could be sent to prison for having sexual relations with persons of another race.

Even today, the proportion of persons sent to prison who are black or Hispanic is far out of proportion to their numbers in the population, and, statistically, one is much more likely to receive long prison sentences if one is poor, or a member of a minority group.

And, as I said to imb, you are mistaken if you think OTO policy - at least on my watch at the Prison Ministry - is other than this - as long as a person is incarcerated, they are neither on "good report" nor considered "free" - thus they are *not* eligible for OTO initiate membership.

The purpose of the prison ministry was to respond - as a not for profit religious body - to requests for spiritual advice while incarcerated.

As to your comment - "the OTO has to choose: Do they want the judges, policemen, officers, correctional officers and other servicemen as members, or do they want the rapists, murderes, robberes, drugdealers and so on..." I'd say (leaving aside the false dichotomy), as with everything in life, that depends on the individual judge, cop, soldier, corrections officer or prisoner. I've seen people found innocent of rape based on new DNA evidence by the Innocence Project released from prison after many years, and I've known a cop who is a rapist.

We don't live in a (morally) black and white world.

But let me be real clear here - The USA, I am ashamed to say, has a barbaric prison system and inequitable legal system when compared to a Western European nation like Denmark. So, you may be coming at this from a set of utterly false assumptions.

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eyeconoplastic
Dec. 20th, 2006 05:10 pm (UTC)
The drug war has produced MANY
... 'prisoners of Good Report,' ladies and gents.

A nineteen year old kid whose only crime is having half an ounce of marijuana at the wrong place and time can still be jailed in many states (though, thankfully, not in California at this time) and even sent to prison for "dealing" if the prosecutors paint it that way.

There are also many people in prison for crimes that they did not commit, but because of the hue of their epidermis a jury found fit to set their lives within concrete and steel for being a suspect ethnicity. For proof, just have a look at the DNA evidence being statistically produced by that group of civil rights attorneys and scientists whose organization name escapes me at the moment. There may be as high as 20% of the death row inmates that had nothing to do with the crime for which they are condemned.
imb
Dec. 20th, 2006 07:12 pm (UTC)
Re: The drug war has produced MANY
So either you state that all those prisoners involved in the OTO are innocent - Or your comment is irrelevant. Either way - please explain - how does the OTO know this? or why consider something irrelevant on a very important issue. Don't play me for a fool!
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baox
Dec. 21st, 2006 03:15 am (UTC)
Of all the work youve done, in such an unimaginable measure from year to year and of all the work youve put to paper and book its almost impossible that your outside of a circle you helped define. I dont understand it, its just a shame. How is it that two years ago you were rounding out bodies and grinding out details in every place you touched and now your shuned from its very leaders. It doesnt seem right that this has gone the way it has.
its still amazing to me, from the first time i heard your opinions on livejournal Ive been impressed with you and Ive respected the things you have expressed, its hard to imagine that the oto wants to seperate its self from that, from you. Thats what it seems this whole mess has done, it seems like the oto from my point of view as a flegling member doesnt want to be associated with your work, your opionions, yet for me you embody what the order can make a man into. What this work can actually do for someone.
your bold words put back bone into the order for me before I understood it, your words made me want to see more from this order, you and the things youve said and done made this whole thing important for me as an individual. its impossible for me to think that any organization would ultimatly fail at reconizing what youve done, at such a critical time this seems like the wrong step. not to mention that I was really looking forward to getting your autograph and shaking your hand someday at notocon. This order isnt a job, its not a company where you put free time into for mony, this was obviously your life and it seems such an insult for someone else to throw it away for you, worse for something you truly believed was the right thing to do. i wish there was some sort of support I could offer, I hope your doing well and I for one don’t personally agree with what has happened, I hope someday this gets put right for you regardless of the future of the order.
tausirhasirim
Dec. 21st, 2006 09:15 am (UTC)
VERY NICE
What a really, really nice thing to say. I am genuinely and sincerely moved. I suppose I could make some kind of 'cute' comment, but it is letters like yours from people I do not even know that keep me going.

For what it may be worth, I have no regrets about having spoken out. Others feel much the same way, but remain silent. I think the fear of upper management was that if I wasn't batted down hard, others might speak up, and that they cannot afford.

BTW, my mischief side was thinking about throwing a very, very, interesting theme party as near to the next NOTOCON as possible, with all delegates welcome to drop by. I just don't want in any way to detract to the local sponsoring body, some of the members there being among my cherished friends.
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tausirhasirim
Dec. 22nd, 2006 08:50 am (UTC)
MY NIGHTCAP FOOTNOTE RE JUSTICE
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imb
Dec. 22nd, 2006 09:46 am (UTC)
" think your premise is....uhm....a bit naive. I have been present a dozens of OTO initiations where the initiator was either (take your pick) an IV drug user, a drug dealer, or both. How are you supposed to know? Do you think you should get *your* pick of who can and can't attend your initiations? Do you live such a restricted life that you only meet people you have a complete dossier on? Your premise is, frankly, silly. To quote the Beatles, "And so I quit the police department/and got myself a steady job". "

The quote you are commenting on is part of an analysation of what happens for service man confronted with the situation that many on this debate describe - in that I explore all possibilites I can imagine - this was one of them. For you to pick out two sentences and commenting on those explains to me that you didn't understand this. I hope it is more clear now.

tausirhasirim
Dec. 23rd, 2006 07:12 am (UTC)
changes in attitudes, changes in latitudes
I explore all possibilites I can imagine - this was one of them.

Fair enough, but I don't think I quoted you out of context. Sounds to me like you're having second thoughts. The good thing about letters on live journal is that anyone can read both the source letter and the reply, and decide if the context is misleading. I invite everyone to do so.
raining_kisses
Dec. 24th, 2006 06:45 am (UTC)
Now for what's REALLY Important in life LOL
On the 12th day of the Eurocentrically imposed midwinter festival, my Significant Other in a consenting adult, monogamous relationship gave to me:

TWELVE males reclaiming their inner warrior through ritual drumming,
ELEVEN pipers piping (plus the 18-member pit orchestra made up of members in good standing of the Musicians Equity Union as called for in their union contract even though they will not be asked to play a note),
TEN melanin deprived testosterone-poisoned scions of the patriarchal ruling class system leaping,
NINE persons engaged in rhythmic self-expression,
EIGHT economically disadvantaged female persons stealing milk-products from enslaved Bovine-Americans,
SEVEN endangered swans swimming on federally protected wetlands,
SIX enslaved Fowl-Americans producing stolen non-human animal products,
FIVE golden symbols of culturally sanctioned enforced domestic incarceration,
(NOTE: after members of the Animal Liberation Front threatened to throw red paint at my computer, the calling birds, French hens and partridge have been reintroduced to their native habitat. To avoid further Animal-American enslavement, the remaining gift package has been revised.)
FOUR hours of recorded whale songs
THREE deconstructionist poets
TWO Sierra Club calendars printed on recycled processed tree carcasses and...
ONE Spotted Owl activist chained to an old-growth pear tree. Merry Christmas Happy Chanukah. Good Kwanzaa. Blessed Yule. Oh, heck! Happy Holidays!!!! (unless otherwise prohibited by law) *

*Unless, of course, you are suffering from Seasonally Affected Disorder (SAD). If this be the case, please substitute this gratuitous call for celebration with suggestion that you have a thoroughly adequate day.
(Anonymous)
Feb. 5th, 2007 07:05 am (UTC)
use this if nessesary!
http://tramadol-sqllt.blogspot.com/
Dont forget!
tausirhasirim
Feb. 5th, 2007 08:51 am (UTC)
Re: use this if nessesary!
Oh, I won't. That's a promise.
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