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SHAME! 
SHAME!
SHAME!










*Someone* saw to it that the printer-distributor of this, my version of the story of the
inquisition held by that "certain order of antiquated history" to throw me out could not
very well be  removed from print because anything in it is untrue. It is all true. Nor was
it a copy of someone else's work -- allowing for fair use in the course of documenting my case that
I've been slandered, libeled and unjustly expelled, brief quotations from the accusers were
certainly used to demonstrate in their own words, and in my rebuttal to those words, that they
were in gross error. In their usual cowardly fashion, they used this to pressure the book off of the
market. My friends - and not friends - ponder this -- if the only excuse for censorship they can find is
a highly questionable "violation of copyright" of their own words used to slander me, what are they trying
to keep YOU from reading?

What do any people in any age want when they censor dissent? What kind of people do this sort of thing?
And why? Even my detractors should be offended by this.
The book - starts out with a famous quotation attributed to Pastor Martin Niemöller, a victim of the Nazis:
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.
















































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knight_monk
Nov. 29th, 2007 10:03 am (UTC)
What about everyone else's privacy?
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khidir
Nov. 29th, 2007 11:28 am (UTC)
Litigious creeps. Ever thought of publishing with disinfo.com? I had a friend that published a book through them revealing dirt on De Beers diamond mining, no other publishing company wanted to touch it because they were scared of De Beers.
tausirhasirim
Nov. 29th, 2007 09:48 pm (UTC)
well said
Litigious creeps.

Yes, this, too, is the heart of the matter;

the right of a single - Trog - to speak his mind.
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solis93
Nov. 29th, 2007 02:12 pm (UTC)
Boy! *Some one* must sure have been looking for an invite to one of them 'good ol' boy' degrees, eh?

You should contact an attorney. I don't think that they can do that. You may be entitled to some money.
tausirhasirim
Nov. 29th, 2007 09:51 pm (UTC)
FIRST THINGS FIRST
Boy! *Some one* must sure have been looking for an invite to one of them 'good ol' boy' degrees, eh?

That, I have come to expect.

You should contact an attorney. I don't think that they can do that. You may be entitled to some money.

I was in touch before going to press. I am weighing all options.
solis93
Nov. 29th, 2007 02:17 pm (UTC)
You know, if they keep doing this to you, you will soon have enough ammo for another book. You should consider the press and secular authorities. Seriously. I think that this would make good TV.
devil_heart
Nov. 29th, 2007 02:49 pm (UTC)
it would be good TV, if there's wasn't a writer's strike it probably would be on TV - Law & Order, CSI or some thing.

TAG: That was the number one book on my x-mas list! I hope someone ordered it for me before this, or my Santa is in big trouble! It makes me want to pout and stomp my foot shouting, "No Fair!"
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b_v_borgia
Nov. 29th, 2007 03:26 pm (UTC)
I suggest you put it out in PDF. Once it is out on the net, they wouldn't be able to censor you.

You know, I really don't think censorship makes the OTO look good.
tausirhasirim
Nov. 29th, 2007 09:55 pm (UTC)
LOOKING GOOD!
You know, I really don't think censorship makes the OTO look good.

Quite so.
lvxluther
Nov. 29th, 2007 04:55 pm (UTC)
freedom of information
I'm with the others who have suggested that you distribute this electronically for free. Frankly I was taken aback when you decided to charge for it, given all your protestations about wanting to get the truth out there. It's not like the book has a particularly big potential audience!

Post a copy here and the rest of us will guarantee it is widely distributed...
sk4p
Nov. 29th, 2007 07:15 pm (UTC)
Re: freedom of information
Agreed. It is a pity though that TAG can't earn a little trickle of money for his troubles.

And no, litigiousness and censorship really does the group no favors at all. Any "moderate" or "on the fence" people who hear about this - anyone worth having in one's order - is bound to be put off by it. (I don't mean that to apply to anyone already in the Order with emotional/magical investment in it. But really, any prospectives ...)
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heosphoros
Nov. 29th, 2007 08:31 pm (UTC)
Dammit! I was going to order this as soon as I went back to work (I've been on disability since having surgery earlier this month).

By all means, distribute free pdfs both to your network of supporters (you do have a network of supporters, you know) and on something like bittorent.

Once it's out there they won't be able to stop it (just take 5 minutes and down load a copy of Liber Agape if you've got doubts).

I still think your title is a little hyperbolic (we really are just bitching about some Fruity Little Club that we all had the embarrassing misfortune to take a little too seriously), but they really are coming off more and more like a poor man's Scientology.
heosphoros
Nov. 29th, 2007 08:35 pm (UTC)
Apologies to lvxluther, I didn't notice you had made the exact same assessment (word for word) first.
I'll try to read all comments first and be more original from now on.
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fitz23
Nov. 29th, 2007 10:19 pm (UTC)
As unpleasant as this is, consider that it is a good sign and will ultimately only further the teetering structural elements that lead to the initial incident.

tausirhasirim
Nov. 29th, 2007 10:25 pm (UTC)
I DO
As unpleasant as this is, consider that it is a good sign and will ultimately only further the teetering structural elements that lead to the initial incident.

I agree. That -of course - doesn't change how vile they are being.
entheos93
Nov. 29th, 2007 10:57 pm (UTC)
I think comparing your situation with OTO with the Third Reich is far beyong the realm of good taste- it also does wonders for killing your credibility.
tausirhasirim
Nov. 30th, 2007 01:17 am (UTC)
hyperbole
When did I compare anyone to the Third Reich? Perhaps you saw a connection with the pictures of burning books? I didn't draw it. I have added a picture from the 1968 Democratic convention, the Chicago Mayor saying...something. The Chicago police are not stormtroopers, and Mayor Daley was not a member of the Gestapo, but I myself faced off with the Chicago police, and - well, I can but quote the Wiki piece on the late Senator Abraham Ribicoff:

"At the 1968 Democratic National Convention, during a speech nominating George McGovern, he went off-script, saying, "...and with George McGovern as president of the United States, we wouldn’t have to have Gestapo tactics (flustered, he said "sta-tactics") in the streets of Chicago." Many conventioneers, having been appalled by the response of the Chicago police to the simultaneously occurring anti-war demonstrations, promptly broke into ecstatic applause. As television cameras focused on an indignant Chicago Mayor Richard J. Daley, lip-readers throughout America claimed to have observed him shouting, "F___ you, you Jew motherf_____." Defenders of the mayor would later claim that he was calling Ribicoff a faker..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Ribicoff
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raining_kisses
Nov. 29th, 2007 11:59 pm (UTC)
could be true entheos but.....
When a small pebble lands in a big pond there are small waves. When an organization of this size which stands for FREEDOM OF MAN TO DO AND WRITE WHAT HE WILL, but is a small pond none the less, that pebble makes large waves within the social network of the adherents. It goes to the heart of the order to censor a book when the "rights of man" is the minimal program of the Order in question. Why should a person's view be stifled when almost every order ritual asks the adherent to cast the old ways off and not be afraid to stand up free, without chains on the mind or body. Maybe it is a leap in the larger order of the drones of the world, but for the centrality in this context...Book burning IS book burning and most antithetical to the teachings of the order.

Actually, it was probably embarrassing when ONE particular Floridian 9th degree shows his orangutan backside to the whole world, and we can't have the "magickal link" man taken down a notch, for not having his mask of love and kindness plastered on his face (the mask that the order initiates see before they learn better)....so just like a five year old they stomped their feet and screamed 'Make it go away, or I'll tell" LOL!!!!

Some leadership eh?
tausirhasirim
Nov. 30th, 2007 01:39 am (UTC)
Re: could be true entheos but.....
I have heard the rationales, but I simply can find no reason to associate the present order with the provisions of Liber Oz. I am, by their lights, a non-member. I think they would acknowledge that I am a U.S. citizen, with all rights of any other citizen. It seems clear that their invocation of "copyright violation" has nothing to do with protecting their intellectual property or earnings, but rather is a device for undermining my right, as a non-member of their club not subject to their discipline (assuming such has any validity to begin with) to express my own opinion and perspective and to document same.

They can argue the case where a member is concerned. But unless they make a case for defamation (they don't-not to lulu anyway), they are simply going against their supposedly cherished fundamental sworn 'rights of man'.

Shame, shame shame on them.
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baal_kriah
Nov. 30th, 2007 12:01 am (UTC)
I can't imagine this copyright claim would ever hold up in court; they must be counting on you not being able to afford the money to sue them over it.
tausirhasirim
Nov. 30th, 2007 01:41 am (UTC)
THEIR THINKING
I can't imagine this copyright claim would ever hold up in court; they must be counting on you not being able to afford the money to sue them over it.

I don't know what they can be thinking. Probably nothing beyond their ability to intimidate a glorified printer like lulu. Did they think this would actually help their case? Did they think at all?
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incendiary_ave
Nov. 30th, 2007 12:23 am (UTC)
Goodness. That's really really poor form of the OTO.

I heard this quote and thought of the Christian Church's attack on The Golden Compass films, but it appears to fit the OTO know too -

"Where they burn books, they will in the end burn human beings as well."

Heinrich Heine
tausirhasirim
Nov. 30th, 2007 01:44 am (UTC)
BURNING TIMES

Goodness. That's really really poor form of the OTO.


Indeed it is. I can't believe I used to consider these decent - even exceptionally decent people.



"Where they burn books, they will in the end burn human beings as well."

Heinrich Heine


Thank you for the quote. I am an admirer of Heine's work, but this had not come to mind.
votum_succendo
Nov. 30th, 2007 12:38 am (UTC)
Thelemic medicine
No offense Allen, but the OTO is an oligarchic theocracy using quasi-fraternal methods. Once you're not one of the in-crowd (read: few, patched, proud & not so secret), in the midst of unfraternal treatment there's nothing to be mystified or angry about. The OTO is not an ethical, moral democracy bent on social justice and to put it in that context is casting an unfamiliar Light. To say that they're being unfair, unfraternal or undemocratic is counterintuitive given the open structure of the organization. If they can, they will and you should expect it.
tausirhasirim
Nov. 30th, 2007 01:53 am (UTC)
Re: Thelemic medicine
No offense Allen

None taken.

an oligarchic theocracy using quasi-fraternal methods

And a California Corporation benefiting from the protections afforded in America. But I take your point.

The OTO is not an ethical, moral democracy bent on social justice and to put it in that context is casting an unfamiliar Light.

Oh, sooooo true.....

To say that they're being unfair, unfraternal or undemocratic is counterintuitive given the open structure of the organization.

Is that what I'm saying? The essence of what I am saying is they used a lame excuse to step on my artistic effort, my free expression, my book. All I say is that is unacceptable to me and should be unacceptable to everyone, in or out of their club, who values freedom of expression.

If they can, they will and you should expect it.

Yes.
nebet_het
Nov. 30th, 2007 02:01 am (UTC)
Disgusting. But unfortunately not surprising.
TAG, I still have use of a very good layout program and have "some skill" in using it. Seeing as I have lots of free time these days once you speak with your legal team let me know if you would like assistance with the layout and then it can be converted to a PDF that can be uploaded to the site of your choosing for folks to download as well as being emailed.

Feel free to contact me off of lj with questions and information any time brother!
tausirhasirim
Nov. 30th, 2007 02:10 am (UTC)
Re: Disgusting. But unfortunately not surprising.
I still have use of a very good layout program and have "some skill" in using it. Seeing as I have lots of free time these days once you speak with your legal team let me know if you would like assistance with the layout and then it can be converted to a PDF that can be uploaded to the site of your choosing for folks to download as well as being emailed.

Thank you so much, dear sister. As it happens, I already had someone working on this before the "problem" arose, just to set the text better than my non-techie effort, but the offer is much appreciated. If this doesn't work out, I will take you up on this.

Much much appreciated.
(Anonymous)
Nov. 30th, 2007 02:38 am (UTC)
This will ensure readership - get it out
Do what the others have suggested. Produce a PDF. E-mail it to anyone who asks. Once you've sent a few it will be totally un-recallable, by them or you. Do bear that latter in mind. It'll hit bittorrent, and other P2P and maybe some FTP servers and...

And this action of theirs will ensure that something a lot of people had meant to get around to reading some day, or might never have even thought that much of, will instead be read by the curious, those wondering, as Lon described his initial burning of his first copy of Liber AL way back, what was in this little book to be so threatening.

-Still inside, but not happy about what he sees.
tausirhasirim
Nov. 30th, 2007 02:46 am (UTC)
Re: This will ensure readership - get it out
Do what the others have suggested. Produce a PDF. E-mail it to anyone who asks.

Yes, I have already circulated a number of copies just in case, mostly beyond their reach -- whoever "they" may be. It just may not be the most efficient way of circulating this Work.

And this action of theirs will ensure that something a lot of people had meant to get around to reading some day, or might never have even thought that much of, will instead be read by the curious, those wondering, as Lon described his initial burning of his first copy of Liber AL way back, what was in this little book to be so threatening.

I agree. Why fif "they" not see this? Even a literal reading of the short comment tells the reader "It is wise to destroy this copy after the first reading." Whoever "they" may be, "they" don't want anyone to have that first reading of INQUISITION IN 21st CENTURY AMERICA, it seems. Wow, I must have done some powerful mojo.
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solis93
Nov. 30th, 2007 04:33 pm (UTC)
Re: to everybody interested
Maybe that book should be translated in all tongues and distributed in PDF format all over the world?
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theba
Nov. 30th, 2007 12:27 pm (UTC)
Is that serious treath from unserious enemy
I bought PDF form of this book on LULU webpage and I am very satisfy with it, quick and cheap way to get informations instantly. With text I am also very satisfy, although I have read many of that before, many things are new and interesting to me. I also understood that someone is not satisfy with text. If you like to mist something you are not interested to see open documents which deals with yours actions. All of us who were involved in Caliphate OTO know how muddy is in it, but for others it is important to remain Potemkins Villiges standing.

Interesting is also lack of any creativity in Caliphates respond, everything is as usual, boring, dumb and childish threating with empty gun. Indeed not interesting but boring as usual. That guys are not capable to react or wrote respond on anything inside own order which happening for years and years, only can sue someone outside by solicitors who, normally like to make one job more to draw money from naive who like to be some big shut.
tausirhasirim
Nov. 30th, 2007 10:55 pm (UTC)
Re: Is that serious treath from unserious enemy
I am glad you liked the book, dear brother. It is a pity others now will not so easily be able to get it. I hope this will be corrected.
sanjuuro
Dec. 3rd, 2007 05:04 pm (UTC)
By the way, I call "Godwin's Law" on this entire posting.
eyeconoplastic
Dec. 3rd, 2007 08:11 pm (UTC)
Stalin called Godwins on Operation Barbarossa and all it got him was half a decade of war.
Iperation Barbarossa - tausirhasirim - Dec. 4th, 2007 04:32 am (UTC) - Expand
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tausirhasirim
Dec. 5th, 2007 07:33 am (UTC)
RECAP
From what point? I said some truthful things about the order. After months of saying nothing, they unceremoniously suspended me and eventually expelled me under what I regard as higly prejudicial and irregular circumstance. All through this year-long process I kept a sort of a diary with documentation. I arranged with a print on demand service to distribute it at nominal cost, and suddenly the monograph was pulled down on strength of a dubious claim from "someone" that I was in violation of contract law (certainly not), or copyright law (not an open and shut matter-but I claim I am by-the-book protected by the "fair use" clauses). No effort was made to contact me before pressuring the print on demand service, who pulled the entire monograph down.

O complained here, and many, many people appear (justly) offended at this effective censorship of my side of the story.
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(Anonymous)
Jun. 16th, 2008 10:29 pm (UTC)
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